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OneAndOneIs2

Mon, Jul 09, 2007

[Link][Icon]Oh come ON!

It was bad enough when various columnists were doing it. But now even PJ herself has done it: Tried to prove that MS is now bound by the GPL v3 by quoting chapter and verse of the GPL v3.

For crying out loud! Are people so desperate to see MS trapped by the GPL that they're willing to throw their brains out the window to convince themselves that it's happened??

Let's take a really simple and clear-cut hypothetical situation. And then see if it's even worth worrying about MS and it's vouchers.

Here's our situation: A while down the line, MS wants to show off how good its virtualization is so they start selling Vista with a complete virtualized Linux distro installed on it. A Linux distro with all the GNU tools installed, all under GPL v3.

Never going to happen, I know, but just imagine

So MS is now distributing copies of GPL v3 software. So far so good.

Now somebody else starts selling GPL'd software covered by MS's patents. MS promptly sues them. The victim smugly holds up GPL v3's patent protection and declares itself immune.

MS says "We've never agreed to the GPL v3" and thus their patents can still be used.

The defendant points to their distribution of GPL v3 code, and MS simply shrugs and says "Not our problem"

With no proof that MS has accepted GPL v3, the defendant loses and is found guilty of patent infringement.

The FSF hears about this case, and says "Hey, that's our GNU stuff they're selling!" and promptly sues for copyright infringement. MS now has two choices.

They can refute the GPL v3 again. This makes them inarguably guilty of copyright infringment, and they're faced with the usual penalties, but because they simply made illegal copies of copyrighted works, they still aren't bound by the GPL v3.

Or, they can argue that they didn't violate copyright because they did in fact have a license to distribute: They had the GPL v3, in fact.

Only if MS takes the latter and makes a legally-binding statement that they have accepted the terms of the GPL v3, do they become bound by its terms. Before that, they are under no onus to obey the terms, because they can claim to be illegally distributing pirate software.

Either way, they're doing something wrong. But they can't be bound by the terms of the GPL v3 until they're forced to chose one or the other.

That being the case, let's look at these vouchers. MS sells vouchers for Novell's SuSe Linux. The GPL v3 says that this is enough to qualify as putting you under the GPL's terms.

But that's irrelevant. It's copyright law that will determine when the GPL is in force, not the GPL itself. If the GPL could decide when it applies, we could expect GPL v4 to say "By using any GPL'd software, ever, you agree to open source all code you posess"

It's copyright law that determines when you need a license in order to copy a work. MS will only be bound by the terms of the GPL v3 if and when they get taken to court, where it is found that distributing vouchers DOES count as "making a copy", and they then chose to say "We did it under the GPL" rather than saying "It's a fair cop, we've been pirating the software, we'll pay the fines and stop selling the vouchers."

Until MS says it's accepted the GPL v3, it's not bound by it. It really is that simple. Whatever the GPL v3 may say.

6 comments • Categories: Omni, FOSS, Rant, Technology

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Comment from: hari [Member] Email · http://hari.literaryforums.org
Only if MS takes the latter and makes a legally-binding statement that they have accepted the terms of the GPL v3, do they become bound by its terms.


So theoritically, by your argument I could use Microsoft Windows and still not be bound by their EULA... is that right?

It should work both ways, right? Or do Microsoft use their muscle power to legally terrorize their users into thinking that their EULAs are in fact, Laws.
PermalinkPermalink 10/07/07 @ 06:32
Comment from: oneandoneis2 [Member] · http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/
Well, that depends - often when installing Windows you have to click the "I accept" button, which means that you have made a statement that you accept and will abide by the EULA's terms.

The ever-popular "By opening the box/buying the product/etc. you have agreed to the following EULA" is, in fact, illegal here in the UK and therefore completely invalid.

So yeah, at least in this country, unless you actually do click on an "I accept" button whilst installing Windows, you are indeed under no onus whatsoever to abide by the EULA terms.

If you feel a need to catch up on some sleep, here's a link to US copyright law.

the owner of a particular copy or phonorecord lawfully made under this title, or any person authorized by such owner, is entitled, without the authority of the copyright owner, to sell or otherwise dispose of the possession of that copy or phonorecord.


That makes it pretty clear, IMHO, IANAL, etc., that MS can perfectly legally sell vouchers for copies made by Novell without hitting any copyright barriers - it's like I don't need J.K. Rowling's permission to put my Harry Potter books on ebay, because I'm selling a legally-made copy, not making a new copy. If that's the case, they aren't breaking the law by doing so, and thus aren't under any onus to accept the terms of the GPL.
PermalinkPermalink 10/07/07 @ 09:22
Comment from: hari [Member] Email · http://hari.literaryforums.org
Aren't there restrictions even on re-selling? Copyright law is incredibly complex and messy and I would actually think even lawyers have trouble understanding it.

So I would still think it's not as simple as all that.

But I want to state that it's like giving a small concession to an enemy. Like pointing out that a guy who murdered ten children had excellent personal hygiene. That's all the importance I attribute to any minor victories that Microsoft may have at this moment.

But whatever it is, I believe in the principle of natural justice and such a thing will catch up with Microsoft sooner or later... That I have no doubt about. Laws may exist to help in the process of justice, but when it comes to justice, it's not bound by law. Does that make sense?

Microsoft will be brought to justice one day for all their unethical business practices unless they change quickly. And so will others who trample over competition unfairly to create monopolies.
PermalinkPermalink 10/07/07 @ 10:59
Comment from: oneandoneis2 [Member] · http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/
> Aren't there restrictions even on re-selling?

Not nearly as many as the computer-game, music, and film industry would like! ;o)

> Copyright law is incredibly complex and messy

Very true, and it's past time it was sorted out - I was actually talking to a copyright lawyer a while back, and even he was of the firm opinion that copyright lasts too long, is being abused, and should be sorted out.
PermalinkPermalink 10/07/07 @ 11:15
Comment from: N [Visitor] Email
"That makes it pretty clear, IMHO, IANAL, etc., that MS can perfectly legally sell vouchers for copies made by Novell without hitting any copyright barriers - it's like I don't need J.K. Rowling's permission to put my Harry Potter books on ebay, because I'm selling a legally-made copy, not making a new copy. If that's the case, they aren't breaking the law by doing so, and thus aren't under any onus to accept the terms of the GPL."

Ever try selling a stripped book (book without a cover) lately?

MS has to abide by the license that they're making money from. Contributory infringement.
PermalinkPermalink 14/07/07 @ 05:20
Comment from: oneandoneis2 [Member] · http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/
They can only be charged with contributory infringement if Novell are found to be infringing.

If Novell are adhering to the GPL, then there's no infringement occurring, and thus MS can't be contributing to it.

Look at it this way: Amazon famously has a LOT of patents - we all know about the one-click one.

Amazon also sells Linux books, some of which come with CDs with GPL software on them.

If I buy such a book from Amazon, does Amazon have any obligations under the GPL? Can I insist they provide me with the source code of the software on that book's CD? Do they lose their ability to use their patents?

No court in the world, and very few people, would agree that Amazon should be ordered to abide by the GPL just for selling those books.

And if Amazon can't be placed under the GPL's terms for supplying somebody else's Linux products, neither can MS. It really is that simple.
PermalinkPermalink 14/07/07 @ 12:13

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