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Fri, Jul 17, 2009

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I'm in California at the moment, but I'm mostly riding a bicycle so I can't say that car insurance has been at the forefront of my mind. But I see from Ars that the state department here wants to make it mandatory that the cost of your insurance is based on how many miles you drive.

There's protests from the EFF about the privacy implications of monitoring people's mileage, and all the concerns about how they'll manage to actually do the monitoring.

So here's a simple suggestion on how to link insurance to mileage with no privacy invasion, no real ability to falsify, and zero paperwork overhead. And as a plus, it also means every vehicle on the road always has valid insurance and gives you a big incentive to drive economical cars.

All that you do is, you increase the tax on petrol, and the money gained from this increase is used to fund the insurance.

So you don't have any insurance policy. Nobody buys insurance for their cars. Everybody is insured because every time you fill your car, you're paying for your insurance. And the greater the distance you drive, the more often you need to fill up, so the more insurance you pay. And if you drive a big gas-guzzler, you pay more.

It's not exactly a new idea. You don't have to have an insurance policy before a fire engine will come to your burning house to put out the flames: You pay your taxes and the service is free if you need it. Just apply the same thing to car insurance. I think just about everyone at least knows somebody who's been hit by a driver with no insurance - this would eliminate that in one go.

Of course, it would suck for the insurance companies who would no longer be able to sell car insurance. So they'll undoubtedly sabotage any proposal like this to the best of their ability. But seriously, is there any downside to having every car on the road insured by default in this manner?

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A.Y. Siu
Comment from: A.Y. Siu [Visitor] · http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat
Even though I recently made a trip up to Portland and very much enjoyed a total lack of sales tax on everything (I believe New Hampshire is this way, too), as long-term solutions, I think sales tax is the way to go in general.

Forget about income tax. Forget about property tax. Forget about all the other taxes. Right now filing with the IRS takes a full-time job (accountant) to keep up with all the new rules and loopholes. Instead of the government trying to figure out how much money someone has earned, just tax how much that person spends.

Of course the complication to this is cash-only stores and restaurants that do things "under the table" and cheat on their taxes... but they do that anyway the way things are now, so no big loss there.
18/07/09 @ 01:33
Dad
Comment from: Dad [Visitor]
You'd keep the insurance companies onside because mandatory state insurance would be third party - and someone would have to underwrite that remember - but most drivers would want a top-up to give comprehensive cover, so they'd just be selling a different kind of policy! And while you're at it, include road tax in the cost of the petrol - same reasons apply, the more you drive the more you pay, and there's no cheating! Simples!!
18/07/09 @ 08:02
Krazy Kitty
Comment from: Krazy Kitty [Visitor] · http://amrhaps.net/english
Actually if gas taxes were paying for a "basic" insurance, insurers could still sell additional coverage to whoever wants to purchase it (similar to the health insurance system in France). Of course it wouldn't be nearly as juicy a market as it is now but...
18/07/09 @ 08:23
oneandoneis2
Comment from: oneandoneis2 [Member] · http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/
AY: That's a new one on me, but I have to say, I agree. There's a lot about taxes (in the UK at least) that really pisses me off. Since the general point of tax schemes is to make sure that richer people pay proportionally more, but generally means that they pay less because they can hire accountants to exploit the loopholes, the idea of scrapping the whole mess for something as simple as sales-tax-only appeals a lot. Poorer people generally buy less than richer people, so it sounds like a very fair system to me..

(Tho it would have to be with the rider that they stop using the stupid fecking system that they have here in Cali. and display the price WITH tax. It really pisses me off, picking up an item that's advertised at $xx, getting to the checkout, and being charged $xx+n because they don't include tax on the list price)

Dad: Good point! Actually, it reminds me that I have to re-tax my car this month, IIRC :o)

KK: Sounds like a good idea! I wonder why they aren't doing it already..?
18/07/09 @ 19:26
titanium_geek
Comment from: titanium_geek [Visitor] · http://www.creativehedgehog.com
What about natural gas, diesel? I suppose you'd just tack the taxes on to those fuels as well. I like this plan, as a driver of an 1984 corolla that doesn't take too much to fill up on.
19/07/09 @ 11:41
oneandoneis2
Comment from: oneandoneis2 [Member] · http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/
Yup! All the world should be taxed ;o)

And see what I mean about it being a great incentive to drive low-fuel cars? :o)
19/07/09 @ 20:16
tuxdev
Comment from: tuxdev [Member]
I like it. The only thing I'm concerned about is that the government will instead use the money to blow stuff up. Though, they already take our money to blow stuff up.
21/07/09 @ 21:25

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So Friday (last) started out so well, I knew it was going to be an awesome day.

I slept in (ahhh, bliss) and went for a morning walk to mail some....er...mail (because, seriously, what else can you mail? turtles?) and it was sunny and warm and I hadn't had any caffeine yet so I got myself a Slurpee. Nothing says awesome Summer day like a 10 am Coke Slurpee cooling you down in the sun.

But do you know what really tipped the morning into full-blown awesomeness? The two shirtless, amazingly hot guys who jogged past me, sweaty and gorgeous as I walked home. Ahhhhh, sugar, sun, and sexy, my own personal Summer trifecta.

I went over to where C-Dawg was staying and picked her up (so there would be no driving necessary) and we came back to my apartment, poured ourselves a summer-worthy drink and headed out on the town.

We wandered through downtown, people watching and talking and laughing and window shopping and then we headed to one of the local patios and ordered up a pitcher and some appetizers.

And that's when the real fun began.

You see, C-Dawg and I love people watching. And more than that, we love making up little stories about people and trying to guess who they are. We'd soon discovered that Friday would have to be known as "Everyone Looks Familiar Day" because I kept on seeing people that I thought looked familiar but I couldn't tell if they actually were or if I was just imagining it.

We decided that the couple next to us had just boated in on their yacht and that the guys across from us were all discussing their volleyball league's last game.

We also tried to narrow down which men C felt were too young for me and which she deemed "just right." Once we'd narrowed my age-group down to a ten year span she tested me to see if I could actually tell which guys were ok and which were in the "are you crazy, he's way too young" category.

I did not do well at this. (sigh)

As the pitcher got emptied, a table behind us became filled with a bunch of guys. C-Dawg, needing to "get out of the sun" (which we're pretty sure the guys could tell was an obvious ploy for her to be able to stare at the guys instead of having to pretend to look around and can I just say thank goodness for sunglasses and how easy they make it to check out cute guys?) sat next to me and we started to figure out the back story for these guys.

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At one point, the waiter came over and there'd been this on-going joke between the three of us because servers kept on trying to bring us food we hadn't ordered and I kept on making this dumb joke about it and then when C-Dawg told me the joke was getting old and the waiter laughed, I turned to him and said (and I quote) "Hey, I'm just going to keep saying it because it never be's not funny!"

At which point he suggested that this wasn't our first patio of the evening and I couldn't stop laughing because I couldn't believe I'd said "be's" and how as I'd said it it had TOTALLY been a word.

Ahhh alcohol, what silly things you do to my brain.

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It was pretty darn awesome and I'm sure there's more I can think of, like how she wet-willied a statue and how she almost convinced me to give nice geek guy my number and how we sat outside the best ice cream place in town and convinced a bunch of other people that yes, they really should go inside and get a cone.

A good day, a great afternoon, a fun evening. It always be's like that with the C-Dawg. I can't wait til we get to do it again.
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