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Wed, Aug 12, 2009

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So the other day, I heard a couple of people arguing about Obama's intention to reform health care over here.

Basically, one of them was for it, one was against. (Hence the argument :o)

I won't go into the minutae of their discussion - I've already got a mental draft on the subject planned - but one thing said by the anti-reform guy took me by surprise.

He was of the opinion that the American health system is already amongst the best in the world, and there's already a lot of "health tourists" come over here just for medical care.

That's certainly something people complain about back home, but it's the first time I heard it said here. And it surprised me because in the few weeks I've been out here, it seems like everyone who I've talked to has got at least one horror story about people they know being impoverished because their health insurance wouldn't cover them.

My own personal opinion of healthcare over here is such that, in the event that I become ill, I'll be on the next available flight home. The NHS certainly has its problems - you might well go in with a broken leg and come out with MRSA - but at least you won't come out with MRSA and a bill for several years' salary to cover the cost of treating it.

So I'm curious: Who, exactly, are these people that apparently believe that the US is *the* place to be if you're ill? When would you want to come here for treatment?

Not a trick question, I seriously want to know.

7 comments

titanium_geek
Comment from: titanium_geek [Visitor] · http://www.creativehedgehog.com
If you can pay for it, health care in the USA for complicated scary things is actually pretty advanced, even if it is expensive.

Sure, if you're poor, it isn't pleasant. But if you're dead, what's the point of having cash?

With public health you have waiting lists- if you can afford to get the health care you need quicker, might you go somewhere like the USA to get it?

Because people are willing to pay for health care in the USA perhaps there is more money poured into research.
12/08/09 @ 11:29
titanium_geek
Comment from: titanium_geek [Visitor] · http://www.creativehedgehog.com
I just wanted to add to my comment that I'm very much pro public health care, but the above are reasons why paid ("private") health care works.

I reckon the paid/public system in Australia works ok- if you're low income you'll still be alright health wise.
12/08/09 @ 11:37
Krazy Kitty
Comment from: Krazy Kitty [Visitor] · http://amrhaps.net/english
Not only does everybody have horror stories about people going bankrupt over their health bills, but by every measure out there (including for instance life expectancy and number of avoidable deaths), the US is one of the worse developed countries. They do, however, have a fantastic potential for giving good healthcare, what with excellent surgeons and research programs and the such... But the thing is, many people are completely blind about it. (Part of it is probably that it is very much ingrained in American minds that their country is the best at everything.)

This example sums it all: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/08/dont_need_to_be_a_rocket_scientist.php
12/08/09 @ 17:33
putnam120
Comment from: putnam120 [Visitor] · http://linuxtour.wordpress.com/
I live in the US and must admit that there are many things I like and dislike about the system. Personally I am all for the public option.
At the above comment, I too feel that there is great potential. What is stopping it in some ways are the politicians. They are not very willing to give money to programs/project that will research new areas. Then when anything new is discovered they are quick to put restrictions on who it available for and under what conditions.
13/08/09 @ 00:36
oneandoneis2
Comment from: oneandoneis2 [Member] · http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/
@Alison: The *if* you can pay for it part, I think, sums up a lot of the problems that people have with the current system...

@KK: You noticed that as well, huh? The "We do it this way, so this MUST be the best way, because it's the AMERICAN way, dammit!!" :o)

@Putnam: Oddly enough, I've also heard a lot of complaints that the government is spending too MUCH on research..
14/08/09 @ 01:10
putnam120
Comment from: putnam120 [Visitor] · http://linuxtour.wordpress.com/
I've also heard that argument, but am still trying to see how they came to the conclusion. As for the "American way" people use that to justify failing systems all the time. Just take a look at the education system (which clearly needs a overhaul). But any change and it will no longer be "the America you and your parents grew up in". Wonder if they ever stop to think that it might be a BETTER America.

Right now, I've stopped following the health care stories. Think I'll pick back up again when Congress reconvenes.
14/08/09 @ 05:27
Timmy Macdonald
Comment from: Timmy Macdonald [Visitor] · http://blog.tsmacdonald.com
I used to live in Honduras, and there were many middle-class people there who would fly to the US for surgery/advanced care. One example is my former (and one-legged) violin teacher who went to Florida for a prosthetic and physical therapy.

Speaking about horror stories, I've heard a number about the NHS--both of the quality of care, and also that people with serious maladies can wait several months. And my cousins, who moved to Scotland two years ago from the US, have gotten completely fed up with the NHS and are now paying through the nose for private care.

I think what the other side of the ocean has is always worse.
23/08/09 @ 00:32

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So Friday (last) started out so well, I knew it was going to be an awesome day.

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