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Thu, Feb 04, 2010

[Icon][Icon]Outfoxed?

• Post categories: Omni, FOSS, Rant, My Life

I saw on ars the other day that IE8 and Chrome are the two browsers with the most momentum at the moment: IE8 because it's the least-bad IE version, and Chrome because it's the hot new kid on the block, one imagines.

Strange, really, when one considers how Firefox was the browser that came from nowhere and rekindled the browser wars.. it became huge, made standards-compliance matter, forced MS to start upgrading their browser again.. and yet right now it's really not a browser with a lot of buzz around it.

The sad thing is.. I'm not really surprised.

Remember the days when Firefox was a lean, resource-light little browser? When it wasn't proverbial for memory leaks and buggy extensions? When the whole point of it was to be a rock-solid, feature-light web browser, and any additional functionality on top of that core purpose was only available via add-ons?

I miss those days. I used FF back then, in the 0.x days. People were still laughing about how often its name had changed. When I got FF installed on my work PC, my job satisfaction literally doubled as a result. Maybe tripled. And I wasn't even in a web-based job at the time. I loved that browser.

These days? To be honest, if there were any other browser that could do everything I need it to, I'd seriously consider switching to it. Firefox has grown up to be a bit of a problem child.

I have two profiles - one for my usual browsing-around activities, with all my bookmarks, and extensions such as adblock and greasemonkey seeing regular use.

The other one is for web dev things, and the vital extensions here are the developer toolbar and firebug. It has a lot of site passwords and a different set of bookmarks - I need the ability to switch between two completely separate Firefoxes, so it's handy that I can easily do this.

On paper.

The problem is, whenever I exit my personal profile, it's a 50/50 bet on whether or not FF actually exits properly. It either stays partially-running so clicking on the Firefox button launches a new window under my personal profile; or it just sits there blankly informing me that the profile is already in use, so I have to use the task manager to kill the process.

That's not helpful.

I have 2GB of RAM on my laptop. More than half of it is in use right now. The application using the most memory? That would be Firefox, using double what Acrobat is using for a large PDF and nearly triple what Thunderbird is using for my half-dozen email accounts. And about ten times as much as VLC is using to play a movie file that's over a Gig in size.

When I first starting running FF, I had half a Gig of RAM and got concerned if I was using more than half of it.

People used to recommend switching from IE to FF as the simplest way to make Windows more secure and stable. Now it seems like every new release fixes a plethora of critical security issues. How did all those vulnerabilities get in there in the first place? What happened to the code quality?

On a more technical note, FF still doesn't have official 64-bit support, and they plan on spending the next year or so on adding multi-threading to take advantage of multiple cores - putting them in the unfamiliar position of playing catch-up on IE.

Sigh

FF is still, IMHO, the best browser around - multi-platform, excellent community, free, open-source, and it does literally everything I need.

It's just that, these days, I like it in spite of all the bugs and frustrations. And I remember when I liked it for just being so bloody good.

It'd be nice if Mozilla would make one of their next big priorities less about adding funky new things and making it bigger, and instead focussed again on making the browser as reliable and bloat-free as possible. That *was* the whole point when they started out, after all..

they set out to build a stripped-down, stand-alone browser, a refutation of the feature creep that had grounded Netscape. "Lots of Mozilla people didn't get it," Ross recalls. "They'd say, 'This is just the product we have now, but with less features.

Source: Wired.com

8 comments

J
Comment from: J [Visitor]
It seems to me Firefox has been getting lighter with every release since I started using it. It's only when I switched from a laptop with 512MiB RAM to one with 4GiB that its RAM usage shot up, from which I can only infer that its RAM usage is highly dependent on what it determines it can easily get its hands on.

I certainly don't experience many bugs or crashes at all, but maybe part of that's because I'm running it on Linux (I assume you're using Windows from your 1GiB+ RAM usage), or maybe you're using unstable addons. And I expect the increasing frequency of critical bugs fixed with new releases is at least in part due to its userbase being larger than ever, not due to there actually being more bugs.

Still, I keep Chrome and Midori around for when I don't need my extensions; I just checked, and having them enabled quadruples Firefox's startup time from under a second to nearly 3. For me, Firefox is the browser that does everything, not the browser that does most things quickly.
04/02/10 @ 22:15
L4Linux
Comment from: L4Linux [Visitor] Email · http://www.yatsite.blogspot.com/
Firefox with 5 tabs opened on Ubuntu:
Memory usage is 13% for FF on a total of 1GB ram.
I don't think it is bloated as you suggest.
05/02/10 @ 07:29
Johannes
Comment from: Johannes [Visitor] Email · http://www.johannes-eva.net/
"Remember the days when Firefox was a lean, resource-light little browser? When it wasn't proverbial for memory leaks and buggy extensions?"

It never was the case. As J [Visitor] says, Firefox actually got lighter with each release.

And for buggy extensions, who forces you tu use them?
05/02/10 @ 19:25
oneandoneis2
Comment from: oneandoneis2 [Member] · http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/
If it's getting lighter, then why is the download getting bigger?

As for extensions: (a) What part of "vital" did you fail to understand? (b) What evidence do you have that the bugs I have are due to extensions? And (c) It wasn't that long ago when MS was frequently bashed because Windows crashes were often caused by the software it was running: "A word processor shouldn't be able to take down an OS" they were told.

I fail to see the difference here: An extension should not be able to affect an application's stability.
05/02/10 @ 20:33
J
Comment from: J [Visitor]
When I think of a program being light, I think of its CPU/RAM usage, not the download size. I hadn't noticed that, anyway, since everything's done through APT here, but I don't see it having any effect on performance, especially when the majority of disk space used is for cache in a default installation.

And yeah, an aim of the Firefox developers should be making its stability independent of any addons. I haven't really experienced any crashes due to addons in release versions recently, but if you do, then that is a major issue with the browser.
05/02/10 @ 20:41
oneandoneis2
Comment from: oneandoneis2 [Member] · http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/
Fair point.. actually, if you're using Apt, are you using Firefox-proper, or Iceweasel? Just curious..
05/02/10 @ 20:48
Carles Sentis
Comment from: Carles Sentis [Visitor]
Firefox is getting better at every release... A thousand times better and more secure than IE. But not as fast as Chrome, everybody will have to agree that chrome is the fastest browser around at the moment...

But what i love most of firefox is that is opensource and all it's addons, where it enables you to do everything you want and how you want it...
05/02/10 @ 23:33
oneandoneis2
Comment from: oneandoneis2 [Member] · http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/
I mostly agree, actually - although most of the time there's no visible difference between upgrades, in general Firefox gets better. And the extensions are the most valuable part of it. If Google were to come up with a way of making FF extensions work under Chrome, Mozilla would suddenly have a lot of worrying to do.

My gripe is that, as it adds useful features and improvements, it's also added bugs. I never used to have crashes and lockups, now they're something I get on an almost daily basis.
06/02/10 @ 12:00

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So Friday (last) started out so well, I knew it was going to be an awesome day.

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